ROAR CARPET ONROAD REGIONALS JANUARY 9TH

[Kenny]

           


  ROAR CARPET ONROAD REGIONALS

                                              SATURDAY JANUARY 9TH
                                     Classes so far more may be added
                                                     *17.5 Rubber
                                                   *17.5 12th scale
                                                   *13.5 12th scale
                                                          *WGT

[Kenny]

BTW POSTED ON TECH SO PLEASE BUMP IT UP
http://www.rctech.net/forum/racing-forum/348274-roar-region-1-carpet-onroad-regionals-january-9th-rc-excitement-fitchburg-mass.html

[Kenny]

Bump it up and talk it up thread unlocked

[Kenny]

Class added

[.]

Looking for:


Da John Wee & Co.
+ I'm looking forward to our new Korean addition!

Sean Collaruso!

Haynes/Amato/Lia/Pedro/Larcher/HANULEC/NY Crew?

Smyka/Carissa/Galinski/Jaimie/Madness Crew?

Tricky Ricky up in VT and all his knuckle dragging, inbred, red neck r/c ruffians

I think it might be too much to ask, but I'd poo myself if the Goat and Schreff...... Fairtrace walked through the door....  Cuffs?  Horsham Crew?



That being thrown out there that I'll be bugging, begging, and pestering anyone who will listen that this is going to be our race of the year.

ANYONE with a carpet car that goes forward, turns left and right..... you need to be here for this.  None of this 'awww, I'm not fast enough to compete' garbage...  Full fledged local domination through all mains.

Guys will be traveling from afar for this.

Fast guys and rooks.....

So anyone and EVERYONE with a carpet car, please, clear your schedules, prep your rides and get ready....

Cuz the show is comming to town...

[Joey L]

Do i have to be a ROAR member or somthin? hows that work?

[Kenny]

yes you will be able to get them day of and goal is to have at east one more roar race before 2010 is over

[Justin G]

Kenny do they still have the ROAR day pass that is like $10 for the guys that will probably only run this one regional ? I have a ROAR membership but the guys that don't might want this .

[JoelV]

Yes one day pass is available. I believe it is $15. Luckily this falls into the range from Carpet nats, so those that went should be up to date. Mine expires Feb 10th I think.

[Justin G]

Yes one day pass is available. I believe it is $15. Luckily this falls into the range from Carpet nats, so those that went should be up to date. Mine expires Feb 10th I think.

Doesn't that $15 go towards your full membership if you decide to get one ?

[Kenny]

yes it does

[Joey L]

so when i show up i have to buy a Roar pass and then an RCE race fee?

[RCEnthusiast]

How much is the ROAR membership for a year compared to the one-day? ROAR membership is required for Vegas too, right?

[JoelV]

$30. Not required for vegas. Only roar races. So carpet nats asphalt nats, etc. I know Kenny talked of holding another roar race possibly.

[Jim La Stella]

There's talk about the ROAR dues for 2010 will be $25, but you don't get a printed rule book.  You can get a rule book for $5 (making the total $30)

Single event memberships are $15, and that's good toward a full membership should you decide to upgrade later.  Your membership starts from when you made your first payment.

For a national event you must be a full member.  With the nats down at Mimi's this year some of you may want to consider that.

Kenny, contact me, there's a problem!

[.]

Problem aside, I'd like to raise the general question of using the competition or mamba speedo at regionals.

I propose a gentlemens agreement to not run either.


I know there are some drivers who have just invested, and I also know that they will likely not be competing in the A main (no, I didn't get one) and I would encourage these drivers to show up ready to run.  Otherwise, I don't want to see Sal or Bodwell with one of these trying to put laps on the field....

[Sal]

ME!  I'm way too cheap to buy one of them.....I'll find another way to get better cheat I'll wait for the Tekin version.

[MStrasnick]

Are frank and the crc crew and/or smkya coming, because I think they might feel differently about running the Advanced speedo. 

OORRRRRR.... we could just make all of the classes open mod and resolve the issue pretty easily.  As unless you can drive it, I doubt that even a 10.5 would be much faster than 17.5, I dont think its going to be the normal full second faster, maybe .5  Or ya, just make all of the classes 10.5 motors, solved!
 

[Chach]

Sal, just bought $30 worth of used crap from Radio Shack, some Duct Tape and used Q-Tips to try and make one himself

[Jim La Stella]

Problem aside, I'd like to raise the general question of using the competition or mamba speedo at regionals.

I propose a gentlemens agreement to not run either.


I know there are some drivers who have just invested, and I also know that they will likely not be competing in the A main (no, I didn't get one) and I would encourage these drivers to show up ready to run.  Otherwise, I don't want to see Sal or Bodwell with one of these trying to put laps on the field....

This is one of those grey areas where the rules can be interpreted a couple ways.  Now I don't know anything about the Mamba speed control, but I have been following the developments of the Black Diamond speedo.  Now in 17.5 and 13.5  (officially called Stock and Super Stock, but I hate those names)  prototype components are not permitted, but that rule really refers to cars and chassis parts.  I suppose it rolls over to electronics.  But the BD speedo is no longer a prototype, it is in fact a production unit, even if the availability is limited.

The correct way of handling this is to apply for a rules variation.  If the track wanted to ban the new speed controls in stock and super stock, you just have to ask for it.  For this race I would agree with the limitation due to the availability issue, but at some point these speedo's will have to be allowed.

And you could allow them in Open, but there hasn't been an Open class at a carpet regional in years.

[George]

what's the deal with these speedos?? i have not been reading rctech much since i got banned for life...

[Ghost Rider]

I was in contact with Dawn Sanchez regarding this issue. The ruling is that it must be available for sale 14 days prior. The rule book doesn't state anything about quantity. Both the Advanced Electronics and MMP are legal for competition... Unless someone applies for the variation.

[MStrasnick]

George- They have some sort of active timing or something that basically makes them worth anywhere from .3-.5 a lap faster than any other speed control on the market, or at least that was the difference at cleveland, was around .4, on a smaller track with a shorter straight probably less of an advantage, but still the overall consensus is that it turns a 17.5 into a 13.5.

[Justin G]

what's the deal with these speedos?? i have not been reading rctech much since i got banned for life...

George you got banned for life ?

[Chach]

$400 for a speed control....Holy stuff, if its that important for somebody to take home a wooden bowling plaque, I say let them run it...it all breaks the same when I take them out on the straight....

[Chach]

Now as I have been doing my research as I am getting back into the this thing called racing, these seem to be available at CRC, unless their website isn't live updating, so what is the big problem?  As far back as I can remember, Speed costs Money.....it's a simple equation that has stood the test of time, and if they can afford it, then all the power to them.  Isn't this why we keep buying new motors, new chassis and new electronics?

[Jim La Stella]

Do you really think it's a good idea to have a $400 speedo in stock?

[Chach]

You always need to have one Jim. It's the first rule of retail, always have one of the most expensive items you carry on hand, because somebody will walk in and buy it spontaneously....no need to carry two, but always 1

[Sal]

I want to know how George got banned for life from Tech 

[RACERRON]

Because He's a dick

[Ghost Rider]

MarcosJ the uber jacka$s moderator kept deleting posts for no reason. George gave him a piece of his mind and told him if he wanted to, he could ban him from Tech. So, he did. MarcosJ would blow Mr.Losi (one of the owners) if he had a cactus d***, and say that he enjoyed it.

[George]

Yep, MarcosJ was threatening to ban Jamie Gonzalez if he kept posting Chaplin race info on multiple threads, so I made a comment and told him he could ban me if he wanted to. And he did, for a month, so I IM'd him to remove me from rctech 'cuz I didn't want to deal with the douchebag... And again, he granted my request. 
Okie, back to esc's...

[MStrasnick]

The speed controls are on backorder I think even though they show up on the site.  So how available they are is questionable. 

If the track was designed to keep the car at the same speed the entire lap then maybe we could negate the speed control, that or have everyone run mod, otherwise it will be a factor.

[Kenny]

All Esc's / Software will be legal as long as they have been publicly released 15 days before event for all classes.

[Justin G]

What good is that if the software is released 15 days prior if only certain team drivers have the speedos and the others are backordered for months .

[Kenny]

Right now all esc's will be available before this event from there distributors.   

[Chach]

Great, now I have to buy a $400 speedo to get 28 laps 

[Jim La Stella]

You always need to have one Jim. It's the first rule of retail, always have one of the most expensive items you carry on hand, because somebody will walk in and buy it spontaneously....no need to carry two, but always 1

I meant in the class known as stock.

[Kenny]

Great, now I have to buy a $400 speedo to get 28 laps 

Nope there's something coming for those of you faithful Tekin drivers  

[Chach]

Then I shall await my Zen Master

[RACERRON]

In the name of Ricky Bobby  'I WANNA GO FAST'

Great, now I have to buy a $400 speedo to get 28 laps 

Nope there's something coming for those of you faithful Tekin drivers  

[Justin G]

With all the speedo's and motors why don't they just have one class and call it mod .

[Impact]

I think all the speedo's should be legal, if you want to spend 400 bucks then go for it. It isn't magic parts it's just software and tekin will have a version of code that will level the field. On a side note, novak better get there butt in gear or they are going to fade away. Nothing wrong with novak but they just are pretty low tech now.........Brad

[Impact]

With all the speedo's and motors why don't they just have one class and call it mod .

It remains to be seen that these speedo's do make the average driver faster, maybe some the best drivers on the planet can shave .3 -.5 off of lap times but will it make me faster? who knows, I'd like to see it before I make up my mind.......Brad

[Pete D]

On a side note, novak better get there butt in gear or they are going to fade away. Nothing wrong with novak but they just are pretty low tech now.........Brad

Seen the Kinetic One of the techs from Novak on RCTech was hinting at being on the level of the AE BD.

[Sammy]

yeah right, that pile looks like a GTB w/ a black heat sink

[Pete D]

Gah, it turned my 3 question marks into the stupid smiley, oh well. It's no GTB though, it has programming through a PC for dynamic timing and the like, supposed to be out soon, so I guess we'll see.

[Justin G]

With all the speedo's and motors why don't they just have one class and call it mod .

It remains to be seen that these speedo's do make the average driver faster, maybe some the best drivers on the planet can shave .3 -.5 off of lap times but will it make me faster? who knows, I'd like to see it before I make up my mind.......Brad

Funny you should say that if it didn't make you faster no one would do it . Years ago all stock motors had fixed timing you couldn't even take them apart to cut them and they had bushings if you did anything to advance timing or touch the brush hoods it was considered cheating now with software you can pretty much do anything sounds like mod to me .

[Pete D]

I agree, and I think ROAR will probably address this issue more in-depth now that there are so many companies making adjustable timing speedos and with the so talked about Black Diamond coming onto the scene. I personally think that in a stock class the only timing allowed should be done on the motor, and there should be mandatory firmware required that wouldn't allow timing changes, but that's just me.

[Justin G]

I agree, and I think ROAR will probably address this issue more in-depth now that there are so many companies making adjustable timing speedos and with the so talked about Black Diamond coming onto the scene. I personally think that in a stock class the only timing allowed should be done on the motor, and there should be mandatory firmware required that wouldn't allow timing changes, but that's just me.

I agree with you it is called stock for a reason most of the cars out there are faster than mod cars were a couple years ago .

[.]

And you could allow them in Open, but there hasn't been an Open class at a carpet regional in years.

Let's bring it back then.  Why don't with run 17.5 rubber with limitation on speedo and an open class.  I'd be in and with our track dimensions, personally I'll stick with a 13.5 and a Tekin.  It would be cool if other faster drivers stuck to the open class with an 'in house' 13.5 agreement, but I wouldn't mind seeing someone with a 10.5 or hotter try to beat my pace much less Joel or Lambert.

2 cents on the conversation.

[Jim La Stella]

With all the speedo's and motors why don't they just have one class and call it mod .

Because that would make sense.

[Jim La Stella]

I agree, and I think ROAR will probably address this issue more in-depth now that there are so many companies making adjustable timing speedos and with the so talked about Black Diamond coming onto the scene. I personally think that in a stock class the only timing allowed should be done on the motor, and there should be mandatory firmware required that wouldn't allow timing changes, but that's just me.

You've just pointed out the fatal flaw in RC racing, assuming ROAR is going to do something about it.

ROAR isn't going to do anything unless the racers step up and say this is what we want!  I know Dawn is concerned about this (as am I) but we can't do anything until we know what the racers want to do.  And most of you know even with racers from one track it's nearly impossible for everyone to agree on anything.  There are some good ideas out there, but there's no agreement on which direction to take.  There was a time when you could separate classes only by motor, but those days are gone.

I think the best way out is for graduated classes, starting with a class where motor, speed controls, tires, and even body are spec'ed, and as the classes move up some restrictions are lifted, up to open with no restrictions.  A tough sell since no one want to run full open.

[civilguy]

A tough sell since no one want to run full open.

This is a serious question; not meant to be glib at all.  Could you explain why on-road racers do NOT want a full open class?  All I see on the off-road forums (not just here) is that they want mod classes for everything.  They never seem to be happy with spec, sportsman or even limited classes.   
Maybe it's because you can get those carpet missiles flying with less motor?  I am honestly interested in why this is.  Thanks!

[Jim La Stella]

First, you can see how fast the cars are with 17.5 and 13.5 motors.  Imagine how much faster they will be with 8.5, and there are lower winds than that.

Now going that much faster means "a slight tap of the board" will result in far more damage than with a slower motor.  It's no fun spending an entire race day fixing your car from a wreck.  Personally I think this comes from how tight we're making the tracks.  Slow cars on open tracks can get boring, so the track designs have become much harder.  Good for racers with the skills, but fustrating for someone learning.  Imagine learning how to fly a helicopter by trying to hover inverted first.

Even without crashing, going that fast is harder on the cars.  Tires will wear out much faster, and other parts of the car will be more stressed, meaning they will break much sooner.

There's no easy answer.  It's racers who have to figure out what to do and how to do it.

[RACERRON]

I personaly feel that the major concern here should be in single cell racing, were you simply do not have enough power, in any 2s class there is enough power to where you actualy have to drive the car, you can give me the advantage of a speed control, and I'm most likely still going to get beat by someone who doesn't have one , but is just a better wheel, I'm running three year old speed controller & motor in my sedan , and it's just as fast as anyones , maybe even faster than most

[JoelV]

I don't know about tighter layouts Jim. Tendency now a days seems to be more open layouts due to increased rubber popularity. At least compared to before.

[MStrasnick]

Having run stock for the past 5+ years on every level out there, I can say that there was a time and place for it, and the pushing of pro drivers to make all fast stock guys run mod was really not a great idea.  With brushed/nimh batteries you would need massive amounts of equiptment to go and run mod even slightly competitevly. While off the shelf batteries were fine, you needed fresh ones every race, and for club racing it was crappy because the run time would go off by about 1/3 the capacity.  You needed team motors which having driven many examples were far superior to anything you could buy, in power, efficency and also drivabilty. Mod foam requires a new car almost every run and this is assuming you dont hit anything. I remember one year toso built a new RDX (I think it was the year jarrod won the nats) and put in down for the first time in the quals since he didnt want to wear it out.  You truly needed a full ride for everything plus a lot of track time to stay competitve and about 1-2 years of full time racing to make the jump, and some did very well.  But as a person who could never do it full time, it really wasnt doable.

Now with brushless and lipo you probably still need the best batteries and motors that are hard to purchase, but thats just for mod sedan and 12th scale.  As 12th scale doesnt really hurt the motor like sedan, I could imagine you could get a decent motor and have it last a while.  Obviously your tire bill will be quite large, but doable, and just dont hit a board or else you will probably need to built a new car, as a 12th scale is much more prone to being perma-tweak.

Anyway 19t was a great inbetween in the day since it alllowed stock guys to run against mod guys on a level playing field and for a while stock guys had better power as it was closer to stock racing than mod.  With the advent of 13.5, looking at the times from big races, it seems like everyone is super close, and its great to see, much like 19t of before.  Mod foam is still stupid and to be competitive in, as it requires cars and tires and a lot of time in addition to those two to get decent.  

BTW, assuming one can actual control a mod foam car, it still takes years to figure it out to be fast, look at Kevin Hebert for example.  

HOWEVER, mod rubber I feel presents a great new opportunity.  Yes, tires will wear faster, and you can hit hard and do more damage, but overall the forces appiled are not that much greater, diffs and outdrives wont instantly wear out and the whole car isnt put under nearly the same stress as it is in mod foam.  Also you can run whatever motor you want and still be easily overpowered, so that eliminates problems there. Albeit you will hardly ever be on WOT and its all modulation, similar to dirt (and a lot of dirt guys always did very well at the Reedy Race for this reason, also they were very good at modulating push brake, which carpet guys generally arent used to doing).

So I am all in favor of doing mod rubber, its a huge learning curve, but doesnt require near the same amount of equiptment as going to mod did back in the foam days.

I will say though, its very very difficult in carpet to get used to mod, as it really requires your car to be perfectly kept, which many people already have a hard time doing with stock motors. Then in addition it requires more practice than most can have the time to complete.  

If someone does think they are ready to run mod, I highly suggest trying it, but on the condition first
1)With a 17.5 you are very close to on the pace and can run the same lap times within a .1 or .2 every lap of a race
2)You can do the same with 13.5

or

Just see if you can go faster over the course of 6 minutes with a mod motor than a 17.5.

BTW, when I ran dirt a few summers ago I ran a 27t stock motor and was pretty competitive in truck, I wasnt tq'ing and winning every week but I was at the sharp end of the A main when I actually drove decently, so I feel the open mod dirt comparison doesnt matter as much since you really cant use a lot of that extra power and driveabilty is so much more important. In carpet on foams you can use that extra power, and to a good extent in rubber as well.

[RACERRON]

Advanced Electronics have to be laughing at all of us, They made a new speed controller , and scence the first day the world got see this work, They litterally have the rest of the world redefining  what the hobby is , I know what it is to me , ir's a time to get out with freinds and have a good time, I truely hope we don't go and change all the rules , just because some company came out with a new speed controller

[Chach]

yeah, whatever Mark said.

[Ghost Rider]

Ron, for club racing, it is still just fun and kicking around. When you put a title on it and it means a sponsorship for someone (sponsors are looking for top 3 in a region unless it is a stacked region, then they MIGHT cut you some slack and accept a top 5). Since this thread is about the regional title, it stands to reason that some would be a little interested in what the decision is on this issue.

[RACERRON]

I don't think you understand who I am, When I was younger, I won a tourniment for the Activision game "Pitfall Harry" , so don't tal :ph34r:k to me about preasure   

[MStrasnick]

While I have no video game title's to my name, I have been around RC for a bit of time and currently being a representive for some teams as a sponsored driver I can say I highly doubt regional results matter. If you have a bunch of Regional wins maybe, but national results are all that really matter, and no generally equipment excuses only go so far.  It seemed like a lot of drivers were not running their sponsor's speed controls at cleveland, which is nothing new.  Not running the stuff of the people who you run for has happened countless times in the past and will continue to happen. Results are what matter to sponsors in RC racing.  Which is 100% opposite of what should matter to anyone in it for fun. You can ask anyone who has raced competitively for a period of time and generally its not fun, as Ed and I were saying the other week, its like crack, its really addictive, you enjoy it a bit when you are doing it, and you miss the stuff out of it when you arent doing it. And as I have discussed with people in the past, RC results mean absolutely nothing in life, and if they do you have a really shitty career, as I have never seen a happy rc driver whose sole income is based off their racing results, especially in the US.

[RACERRON]

I have spent my intire life in professional moto& supercross where results and sponsorship are eveything,and the only thing that matters is wining, I guess I crossed over a bridge somewhere along the way, and just decided to not worry so much about all the little stuff,I completely get the whole competetive thing , just trying very hard to not get caught up in it all again,and for me that has led to having a great time with RC, I truely hope I haven't affended any along the way, but beleive me ,"I get it" I understand what preasue is

[Chach]

Don't worry Ron, you have only offended your 6th grade English teacher with your spelling...

[RACERRON]

you scuk

[MStrasnick]

my spelling is generally pretttttyyy bad nick, so it even out, haha

I 100% agree about enjoying it and when its not your job results shouldnt matter as much as how much fun you had doing it. 

[RACERRON]

So are we all good then?   

[Chach]

No, now your punctuation sucks, you ended a sentence with a conjunctive adverb....   See ya'll Tuesday

[Sal]

So I'm almost done with the prototype of my speedo, I've sent some pics to Chach for review.  He'll post a pic up later.

[.]

ok, so with a couple more days thought, reading all the posts here, on tech, and talking to some good friends, a couple things are obvious:

- Classes are already set with rules and regs, so any limitations on speedo's defeat the purpose of having a ROAR race.  Stock & Superstock. 

- - The size of our track allows a 'bit' of speed but we drive a lot of infield and a tighter layout would negate a lot of speedo differences.  Maybe we could just run a tighter layout.....  Rumor is that the downfall of the new speedo's so far has been the infield controll.... this would provide a great opportunity for testing.  Again, just an observation.

--- if the release of newer tech advances didn't coincide with this race, it would be a non issue.  Once again, we are a testing ground for the future of R/c.  I'm looking forward to seeing what is possible.  I still say the Farm Team has the upper hand, but a couple of the people showing up might be decently fast....



Bottom line, if it goes forward and you can make it goe left and right, bring it, and yourself down to RcE Jan. 9th!
Fast, slow, big, small, legal or not, we'll find a place and a race for you

[Chach]

Run what you've brung....

[Kenny]

Casey is going to start his own class brung what you wrung with 13.5's clapped out being as fast as 21.5's

[RACERRON]

I'm starting to think you may have been my 6th grade teacher, but I don't remember him being drunk on Redbul, you need some sleep big guy

No, now your punctuation sucks, you ended a sentence with a conjunctive adverb....   See ya'll Tuesday

[.]

Casey is going to start his own class brung what you wrung with 13.5's clapped out being as fast as 21.5's

1st off, I can make em' WAY slower than 21.5's.  B, no wrenches allowed.  further more, handi cap tenths per screw missing.  In conclusion, contact is manditory.

[Sal]

In that case, I win BITCH!!!!

[Ed Forer]

Wow... Good thing this whole brushless lipo thing made racing way simpler!  Actually, as much as I resisted the whole thing way back in the day when I raced constantly, I have to say the new state of racing is more fun overall, but this speed control controversy gives me flashbacks to the battery wars when IB cells came out.  2005-2007 racing was ridiculously serious, expensive and out of control and it had to do with new unobtanium batteries that came out every six minutes and were only available to guys who's only job was to play with toy cars (I say toy cars now to remind myself that they are toy cars and you can only take it so seriously before you are actually retarded) .  It got frustrating and expensive and that's why so many people quit and or backed off of racing a lot.  I just hope that the community and and sanctioning bodies figure out a reasonable way to regulate these wacky pants fast speed controls so that it doesn't drive the new developing rc crowd away.  That said, the rules have to be simple or nonone is going to obey them or care.  Checking the firmware of speed controls is too complex and time consuming. 

Maybe we can take a page out of the old Steve Boice playbook and do dust buster motor/battery racing like they did in the 80s  Problem solved!



 

[Ghost Rider]

SOLD! Everybody must bring their own sealed, new-in-box, dustbuster for tech before the components are legal for use.

[Chach]

Dam...now Ed is back, are we going to hear you complaining all the time 

[Ed Forer]

Only about my lack of Chach nookie of late.  Where have you been baby?

[Chach]

Race tonight and I'll let you nuzzle that fro beard on me...

[Ed Forer]

Not tonight, but this Friday and next Tuesday! (I'm taking wednesday off so I can race Tuesday!).  I'll bring the lube.

[.]

really looking forward to this

[Chach]

Judging by the awesome turnout we had for yesterday's racing....it should be awesome.....

[.]

I'm comming!!!!!!

[Justin G]

I'm comming!!!!!!

 

[Kenny]

[Chach]

great flyer.....can you send me that without the classes and free open practice stuff at the bottom so I can put it in a video

[Kenny]

I'm not the one who made this was Tom who built new site pm him.



On Side Note Guys Bring Some Life To This Thread
http://www.rctech.net/forum/racing-forum/348274-roar-region-1-carpet-onroad-regionals-january-9th-rc-excitement-fitchburg-mass.html

[JoelV]

[Justin G]

Pickles rumor has it there might be a special guest coming with Mcguire .

[Chach]

no...not Cujo.....the C-Main will never be the same

[Ed Forer]

Pickles rumor has it there might be a special guest coming with Mcguire .

will all of team lbs be making an appearance?

[BonerFyd]

Pickles rumor has it there might be a special guest coming with Mcguire .

Who who??? Even I'm curious

[.]

yeah, bi-curious

[Sal]

Quick question, do we have the stuff to tech cars?

[DAVEJ]

Which brings up another question. What is checked during the tech process?

[Chach]

Which brings up another question. What is checked during the tech process?

Kenny may correct me if they plan on deviating but its....weight, width, ride height, overall car height, motor and tires

[Ghost Rider]

Battery voltage and lipos need to be charged in a lipo sack at no greater than 1c (Roar rules)...

Do we have any deviations?

[Kenny]

no deviations on anything