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What ESC's can we run in spec ?
« on: November 26, 2011, 04:16:09 AM »
I was wondering if we can run any ESC that has a blinky/spec mode?  or do we have to run ROAR approved speedos only?
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Re: What ESC's can we run in spec ?
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2011, 06:07:05 AM »
Hey Rob,  any esc with a blink mode will be allowed. Speedpassion, duratrax, Lrp, tekin, hobbywing, Orion all offer esc's that have blinky mode.

Rob is there a specific one that you have a question about?

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Re: What ESC's can we run in spec ?
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2011, 06:44:13 AM »
No Kev not yet. I was asking a carpet racer friend the other day about the best/fastest ESC's for spec racing and the first thing out of his mouth was well does it have to be ROAR approved? I wasnt sure how to answer him. He rattled off the names of a few of them that he felt were better/faster than others that were NOT ROAR approved but still had a blinky/spec mode. 
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Re: What ESC's can we run in spec ?
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2011, 09:48:58 AM »
No Kev not yet. I was asking a carpet racer friend the other day about the best/fastest ESC's for spec racing and the first thing out of his mouth was well does it have to be ROAR approved? I wasnt sure how to answer him. He rattled off the names of a few of them that he felt were better/faster than others that were NOT ROAR approved but still had a blinky/spec mode.
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Re: What ESC's can we run in spec ?
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2011, 11:55:48 AM »
The first Tekin blinky firmware unintentionally had timing advance.  That is why it was quickly updated and the number of blinking LEDs went from 1 to 2.  If you want to cheat, run that firmware.  It's got a blinking LED....  ORCA also has a non (ROAR) legal firmware for their ESCs as well.  That too is "blinky" but not ROAR legal.  BTW, ORCA speedos were banned from all ROAR events for 6 month for releasing blinky firmware that wasn't approved by ROAR.  Why stop there though, put an RS in an RSPRO case and use the extra room to add a small circuit to blink the 2 LEDs that show the ESC is in blinky mode.  That way you can use all the boost and turbo you want.

The whole point of blinky is to allow people to run whatever speedo they want and NOT have to spend money buying the fastest ESC of the month.  They are all supposed to be equal.

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Re: What ESC's can we run in spec ?
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2011, 12:56:58 PM »
The first Tekin blinky firmware unintentionally had timing advance.  That is why it was quickly updated and the number of blinking LEDs went from 1 to 2.  If you want to cheat, run that firmware.  It's got a blinking LED....  ORCA also has a non (ROAR) legal firmware for their ESCs as well.  That too is "blinky" but not ROAR legal.  BTW, ORCA speedos were banned from all ROAR events for 6 month for releasing blinky firmware that wasn't approved by ROAR.  Why stop there though, put an RS in an RSPRO case and use the extra room to add a small circuit to blink the 2 LEDs that show the ESC is in blinky mode.  That way you can use all the boost and turbo you want.

The whole point of blinky is to allow people to run whatever speedo they want and NOT have to spend money buying the fastest ESC of the month.  They are all supposed to be equal.

All these reasons are exactly why I was asking for clarification of the rules. Do the ESC's used in spec at RCE have to be on the ROAR approved list ?
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Re: What ESC's can we run in spec ?
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2011, 12:59:49 PM »
It's not going to make a difference in the slightest, and yes, I would say we should at least try to stick to the ROAR rules, I believe that's part of the reason we're doing blinky and not open timing.

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Re: What ESC's can we run in spec ?
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2011, 01:14:02 PM »
It's not going to make a difference in the slightest, and yes, I would say we should at least try to stick to the ROAR rules, I believe that's part of the reason we're doing blinky and not open timing.

I dont agree that it wont make a difference but i do agree that ROAR rules should be followed and it should be checked or should I say teched.
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Re: What ESC's can we run in spec ?
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2011, 01:29:55 PM »
Todd, Timmy or Kevin Can one of you reply.  -_-
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Re: What ESC's can we run in spec ?
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2011, 03:48:38 PM »
Do you really want to get into tech-ing equipment at a low level event such as club racing? For club racing, the fast guys will be fast. If you feel the need to cheat, or what you have that is all that you could afford, so be it. It's all good. Here is what you want to know to be in compliance with ROAR, kudo's to Kenny for doing all the leg work on this one:

There has been alot of talk about what esc's are legal for blinky/spec racing. Here is approved list if it isnt on there. There is a reason why


Calandra Racing Concepts    CRC4000    Advanced Electronics Black Diamond LV    2.1 software or higher    Has a blinking blue light when the throttle is in neutral and when set to the no-timing profile #1
Calandra Racing Concepts    CRC4002    Advanced Black Diamond    2.1 software or higher    Has a blinking blue light when the throttle is in neutral and when set to the no-timing profile #1
Castle Creations       Mamba Max Pro    V1.26    
Graupner GmbH & Co.    GM-Genius 120    Yellow, Red, and Green blink fast and at the same time in neutral position when the zero mode is active    V13.0    Users must use Mode 0-5 after factory reset or after delivery. Modes 6-9 have high speed timing, no LED blinking. No high speed timing is allowed to set with PC-software. Mode 2 is factory setting. If high speed timing, no LED blinking.
Graupner GmbH & Co.    GM-Genius 150    Yellow, Red, and Green blink fast and at the same time in neutral position when the zero mode is active    V13.0    Users must use Mode 0-5 after factory reset or after delivery. Modes 6-9 have high speed timing, no LED blinking. No high speed timing is allowed to set with PC-software. Mode 2 is factory setting. If high speed timing, no LED blinking.
Graupner GmbH & Co.    GM-Genius 75    Yellow, Red, and Green blink fast and at the same time in neutral position when the zero mode is active    Software Version V13.0    Users must use Mode 0-5 after factory reset or after delivery. Modes 6-9 have high speed timing, no LED blinking. No high speed timing is allowed to set with PC-software. Mode 2 is factory setting. If high speed timing, no LED blinking.
Graupner GmbH & Co.    GM-Genius 90    Yellow, Red, and Green blink fast and at the same time in neutral position when the zero mode is active    V13.0    Users must use Mode 0-5 after factory reset or after delivery. Modes 6-9 have high speed timing, no LED blinking. No high speed timing is allowed to set with PC-software. Mode 2 is factory setting. If high speed timing, no LED blinking.
Hobbico    DTXM1300    Duratrax DE10 Brushless Programable ESC       A blinking green LED will be displayed when the ESC is at 0 (zero) degrees of timing and the throttle is at neutral. Also, if the ESC is at any advancement in timing the LED will be solid green
Hobbywing    81020000(blue) or 81020011(black)    Justock Club SPEC    N/A    Zero timing and non-adjustable
Hobbywing    81020010(blue) or 81020011(black)    Xtreme Stock    508    Zero timing – the RED LED Flashes when the ESC is active and throttle in neutral position.
Hobbywing    81020050    Xerun 60A-SD V2.1 (Blue)    508    Zero timing – the RED LED Flashes when the ESC is active and throttle in neutral position.
Hobbywing    81020051    Xerun 60A-SD V2.1 (Black)    508    Zero timing – the RED LED Flashes when the ESC is active and throttle in neutral position.
Hobbywing    81020170    Xerun 120A-SD V2.1 (Blue)    508    Zero timing – the RED LED Flashes when the ESC is active and throttle in neutral position.
Hobbywing    81020171    Xerun 120A-SD V2.1 (Black)    508    Zero timing – the RED LED Flashes when the ESC is active and throttle in neutral position.
Hobbywing    81020210    Xerun 120A-1S (Black)    508    Zero timing – the RED LED Flashes when the ESC is active and throttle in neutral position.
Hobbywing    81020211    Xerun 120A-1S (Blue)    508    Zero timing – the RED LED Flashes when the ESC is active and throttle in neutral position.
KO Propo    40051    VFS-1 BMC Ver 1.5    Contact Mfg for Firmware Upgrade    Must use zero timing and zero Advanced Profile signified by blinking LED on switch.
KO PROPO America    4100    BLZ-350 ESC       Set to zero timing in firware. Cannot program any timing into ESC
Losi    LOSB9500    1/10th Xcelorin Brushless ESC    01.01.30    Must use zero timing and zero Advanced Profile signified by blinking color LED
Losi    LOSB9503    MSC540BL-S Sensored ESC, 13.5T Limit       There is no timing function available with this. There is no LED indication.
LRP    LRP80100    Ai Brushless Reverse    N/A    Non-updateable; SC has no modes that will give any timing increase.
LRP    LRP80150    Ai Brushless Pro Reverse    N/A    Non-updateable; SC has no modes that will give any timing increase.
LRP    LRP80400    SPX Brushless Super Reverse    N/A    Non-updateable; SC has no modes that will give any timing increase.
LRP    LRP80410    Crawler ESC    N/A    Non-updateable; SC has no modes that will give any timing increase.
LRP    LRP80450    SPX Brushless Bullet Reverse    N/A    Non-updateable; SC has no modes that will give any timing increase.
LRP    LRP80500    Sphere Brushless ESC    N/A    Non-updateable; SC has no modes that will give any timing increase.
LRP    LRP80705    SPX Zero       Non-updateable; Zero timing when power profile is set to 0. Red LED will flash in neutral to indicate zero timing
LRP    LRP80905    LRP SXX Comp V2    1.3,1.5    Mode 3 timing must be set to “0″ signified by blinking blue LED in neutral
LRP    LRP809055    LRP SXX TC spec V2    1.3,1.5    Mode 3 timing must be set to “0″ signified by blinking blue LED in neutral
LRP    LRP80910    SXX Stock Spec Brushless    N/A    Non-updateable. Mode 3 timing must be set to “0″ signified by blinking blue LED when in neutral.
LRP    LRP80915    SXX Stock Spec V2    4.2,4.4    Desc: For Spec zero timing mode, both mode 2 (torque) and mode 3(timing) must be set to zero. Blue LED will blink in neutral
Novak    NOV1709    GTB 2 Sportsman Racing Brushless ESC       Desc: When all timing is OFF, then white LED will be OFF to indicate no timing active.
Novak    NOV1710    Novak GTB    N/A    
Novak    NOV1711    Novak GTB Spectrum    N/A    
Novak    NOV1712    Novak Slyder Drift    N/A    
Novak    NOV1731    Novak Havoc 1 Cell    N/A    
Novak    NOV1732    Novak Havoc Sport    N/A    
Novak    NOV1733    Havoc 3S Brushless ESC       (this ESC can be run on 2S or 3S) No timing built into ESC
Novak    NOV1735    Novak Havoc Pro    N/A    
Novak    NOV1740    Kinetic Racing Brushless ESC    Version 1.0 software or higher    ESC must be set at Timing Level = 1 or Zero Timing (default)
Novak    NOV1741    Kinetic 1S Racing Brushless ESC    Version 1.0 software or higher    ESC must be set at Timing Level = 1 or Zero Timing (default) **Note, this ESC will be shipping in August 2010
Novak    NOV1745    Havoc Pro SC Brushless ESC    Version 1.0 software or higher    ESC must be set at Timing Level = 1 or Zero Timing (default)
Novak Electronics    1850    The Edge Brushless ESC w/Traxxas    000    There is NO timing in this ESC. The white LED will blink during start up to “prove” it works, but will remain off during all normal operation to indicate that timing is “OFF”
Novak Electronics    1851    The Edge Brushless ESC w/Tamiya    000    There is NO timing in this ESC. The white LED will blink during start up to “prove” it works, but will remain off during all normal operation to indicate that timing is “OFF”
Speed Passion    Cirtix Stock Club Race # 12280    No Timing adjustments-no LED    Non-Programable    
Speed Passion    EXT98802LPF    LPF 2.1 ESC (Carbon, Silver, Blue)    V508    Must use zero timing and zero Advanced Profile signified by blinking LED
Speed Passion    EXT98802LPF    GT-LPF 2.0 ESC (Carbon, Silver or Blue Version)    508    Must use zero timing and zero Advanced Profile signified by blinking LED
Speed Passion    EXT98802Pro    GT-Pro 2.0 ESC (Carbon, Silver or Blue Version)    508    Must use zero timing and zero Advanced Profile signified by blinking LED
Speed Passion    EXT98802PRO    PRO 2.1 ESC (Carbon,Silver,Clue)    V508    Must use zero timing and zero Advanced Profile signified by blinking LED
Tekin    TT1152    Tekin RS ESC    212 ** NOTE NEW SOFTWARE PROFILE**    SPEC – Non Timing Mode is displayed by LED 3&5 blinking when armed and in neutral position. AVAILABLE 10/20/2010
Tekin    TT1153    Tekin RS Pro    212 ** NOTE: NEW SOFTWARE PROFILE    SPEC – Non Timing Mode is displayed by LED 3&5 blinking when armed and in neutral position. AVAILABLE 10/20/2010
Viper RC Solutions    VTX10    #6VSVT10001 Sensored BL ESC w/ProGauge    A19    Non timing indicated by GREEN blinking status LED next to letter “S” on V-port switch housing. In Race Modufied/Timing run modes the “S” LED will be off.
Viper RC Solutions    VTX10-Lite    #6VSVT10002 Sensored BL ESC w/o ProGauge    A19    Non timing indicated by GREEN blinking status LED next to letter “S” on V-port switch housing. In Race Modufied/Timing run modes the “S” LED will be off.
Viper RC Solutions    VTX10R    #6VSVT10R01 Sensored BL ESC w/ProGauge    A19    Non timing indicated by GREEN blinking status LED next to letter “S” on V-port switch housing. In Race Modufied/Timing run modes the “S” LED will be off.
Viper RC Solutions    VTX10R-Lite    #6VSVT10R02 Sensored BL ESC w/o ProGauge    A19    Non timing indicated by GREEN blinking status LED next to letter “S” on V-port switch housing. In Race Modufied/Timing run modes the “S” LED will be off.
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Re: What ESC's can we run in spec ?
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2011, 04:28:04 PM »
I dont wanna cheat.

Im not saying anyone else is cheating either.

I just wanna know what the darn rules are? Whats the big deal?

   

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